Ciaran Howley: To get started, I’d love to hear a little about your background in acting and what kind of experience growing up initially drew you to the performing arts. Were there any early experiences that stick out in your mind, and how did growing up in Northern Ireland play a role, if at all?
Fra Fee: I grew up in County Tyrone and like so many parts of Ireland, there’s a really rich culture of community drama. Belfast, although only forty minutes down the road felt like a world away, so I wasn’t going to the big city to do acting lessons or anything like that. It was all just very local-based community theatre done at a really high level. I would have been introduced to that by my dad initially. My elder sister Claire was doing a school production of Blood Brothers by Willie Russell. I went to collect her with my mam. I was maybe seven or so and they hadn’t quite finished rehearsing yet so I observed them in rehearsal of the famous ‘Tell Me It’s Not True’ song and was just so captivated. I went to every performance, sat there with my packet of crisps in the front row and it’s been a light that has never dimmed.
CH: Let’s talk about Unchosen, your new Netflix series which follows a modern day cult in the north of England. There’s obviously this historical obsession with cults, going back to the Manson Family in the 1960s and Jonestown in the 70s, but when you got the script, were you primarily intrigued by that kind of setting? Or were you more drawn to your character, Sam, an outsider who disrupts order in an unexpected way?
FF: Both of those statements are very much true. I think we are inherently intrigued by people that live very differently to how we do in a “normal society.” Of course, this is a fictionalised version of one of these communities, but I just thought, what a brilliant setting for a story. And then compounded with this character that I was given the absolute treat of getting my teeth stuck into. I just thought he was brilliantly realised and wonderfully complicated. He’s such a walking contradiction of passions. Some of his actions are deplorable, but I couldn’t help but love and admire his strengths. He’s fiercely intelligent, a master manipulator and some of his gameplay within the story is just… delicious.
“Some of his actions are deplorable, but I couldn’t help but love and admire his strengths. He’s fiercely intelligent, a master manipulator and some of his gameplay within the story is just… delicious.”
CH: You’ve played such a wide breadth of roles across stage and screen, but more recently you’ve turned towards darker portrayals, like in Unchosen. Is that an exciting challenge as an actor, to really sink your teeth into more morally dubious material?
FF: This was the most nuanced role I’ve ever had to tackle. I had to figure out a reason as to why Sam did the things he had done at the beginning of the story. Why is he in prison? How did he get that way? What level of atonement has he reached? He’s on the brink of being let free when the story begins, and then, in an act of self-defense, he commits another act that would keep him in prison for a long time. So he has to escape, but he continues to behave in seriously questionable ways throughout these six episodes. I loved figuring out why and where those impulses are coming from. It’s not as easy as just saying good versus bad. Julie [Geary, the show’s creator] plays brilliantly with the ideas of what is good and what is bad and it makes us all look at the full spectrum of humanity.
CH: I also had a more random question related to cults—bear with me. Have you ever had any experience of being inside some kind of club or friend group where things took a turn and felt a bit cultish? Or the experience of feeling like you were in some kind of group where things were a little cultish — not that cults are inherently bad — or just a little bit skewed?
FF: I think any sort of group or clique has the capacity to become toxic if you’re not all on the same page. I think we can all remember experiences of being in something that you’re uncomfortable in. I reckon this will be a talking point when the show comes out, because so much of the horrendously despicable behavior is displayed by the men in this group, misogyny, sexism, physical abuse, and we’re in the middle of such a huge conversation about that at the moment, even with Louis Theroux’s Manosphere documentary coming out recently. We’re living in a world of toxic masculinity, but in plain sight. So I think that’ll be a talking point, something that resonates, the idea that all of these things taking place in this private community are also taking place in the real world, often being acted out by the most powerful men in the world, so openly.
CH: What’s happening in these groups can be dark, but what’s happening in plain view all around us strikes an altogether more worrying chord.
FF: Totally, because it’s so blatant and it’s actually being actively shared and celebrated like they’re shouting it from the rooftops with conviction and pride. You know, which is the more dangerous group? It’s fascinating.